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Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! djs#234496808/01/08 | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter | |
 hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 10,863 | Originally Posted by djs Originally Posted by isaac Fairfax county and it's courthouses are the largest in the state. Bar none!! You check your guns, period. Quit acting as though your nationally knowledgeable working your small portion of Tennessee. We probably have more folks in one Fairfax GD courtroom in one day than you do in your entire courthouse in a week. I beleive that all LE (even state troopers) have to check their weapons. The only armed folks I've seen in the Fairfax VA courthouse are the sheriff deputies who are responsible for security. It does seem strange to see troopers with empty holsters. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ That's very sad to hear, but considering the state your talking about it's par for the course. I hope that the rest of the country doesn't use VA as the example. |
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Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! hunter1960#234496908/01/08 | |
T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage | |
| OP The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 132,261 Likes: 86 | Originally Posted by hunter1960 I follow the standards of conduct within the facility, that i am at. I go with the flow, i don't start a new river. Same here. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! Stan V#234498108/01/08 | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 10,863 | Originally Posted by Stan V Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by hunter1960 The BU wpn, a ankle holstered S&W342, is carried into the jail of the county in which i am emloyed and surrounding counties. That i've been to before and i know the staff and Sheriff personnaly. You'ld be suprised as to how many corrections folks in these county jails have a small NA 22WMR derringer in their shirt or pants pocket, and you'ld never know it. Are you willing to follow the rules of the places you go, or do you insist on setting a new standard for yourself? Just asking. The better question might be if he blurted out that he's carrying, would he then abide a request to unload.......not Pirouette and head to the judge/sheriff and demand satisfaction. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I use the standard that was used during the Clinton Admin. don't ask, don't tell. Unless i know i am either going to get patted down or go through a detector, i keep it on. Out of sight out of mind. Loose lips, sink ships. When i worked in uniforn, i wore it in a body armor holster, and it was covered by my arm, all i had to do was pull down on my shirt zipper, which i later changed to velcro, due to the possibility of a mechanical zipper failure. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! Steve_NO#234498608/01/08 | |
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alpinecrick Campfire Ranger A Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,413 Likes: 21 | Originally Posted by Steve_NO I have a good friend, ex ADA, ex AUA, now defense lawyer who accidentally put a briefcase with a .38 in it through the metal detector in fed'l court here. Arrested, charged, they send down a couple of gun hating Yankee boys to handle case so the locals won't just blow it off. He ended up having to plead into a diversion program to keep his law license, and couldn't possess a firearm for a year. Wow. This stuff is out of control....... a fine, a ridiculing/scolding by the judge, but therapy? And temporarily lose rights?.........that's stoopid...... Casey Casey Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! The_Real_Hawkeye#234498708/01/08 | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 10,863 | Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by hunter1960 I follow the standards of conduct within the facility, that i am at. I go with the flow, i don't start a new river. Same here. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
I just had to send the smiley, you ok with that?| IC B2 |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! ebd10#234500208/01/08 | |
T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage | |
| OP The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 132,261 Likes: 86 | Originally Posted by ebd10 So, if I'm understanding correctly, you carry a gun into the jail with the consent of the sheriff and corrections authorities? What if a new guy saw your 342 and told you to disarm? I can't wait to hear the answer to this one. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! The_Real_Hawkeye#234500308/01/08 | |
G g5m Campfire Ranger | |
g5m Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2007 Posts: 19,501 Likes: 1 | I hope you guys can share a brew or two. I just reread the original post. TRH, it doesn't look to me like you escalated it. Only you didn't do what the clerk told you to do that he apparently didn't have any authority to tell you to do. Maybe it's like a local cop who told some teenage female to undress for an examination. She complied. He got canned. And the city's going to get to cough up some bucks. (As in somebody complying with an improper order). Retired cat herder. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! g5m#234501208/01/08 | |
T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage | |
| OP The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 132,261 Likes: 86 | Originally Posted by g5m I hope you guys can share a brew or two. I just reread the original post. TRH, it doesn't look to me like you escalated it. Only you didn't do what the clerk told you to do that he apparently didn't have any authority to tell you to do. I agree on all points. Thanks. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! ebd10#234501608/01/08 | |
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 C Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker | |
Cossatotjoe Campfire Tracker C Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,264 | Originally Posted by ebd10 Originally Posted by hunter1960 1. When i go into a jail to talk to a prisoner, i put my main weapon on my belt into a security box. I keep my BU on my ankle and go in. Do i do this against the standard jail procedures, yes i do, do i do it anyway yes, i do. Do i do it at places that i know the staff, yes i do. Am i following the rules 100% no i am not. Would i do this at an unknown jail or one with a metal detector, no i wouldn't. So, if I'm understanding correctly, you carry a gun into the jail with the consent of the sheriff and corrections authorities? What if a new guy saw your 342 and told you to disarm? That is a felony where I live. |
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Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! ebd10#234502108/01/08 | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 10,863 | Originally Posted by ebd10 Originally Posted by hunter1960 The BU wpn, a ankle holstered S&W342, is carried into the jail of the county in which i am emloyed and surrounding counties. That i've been to before and i know the staff and Sheriff personnaly. You'ld be suprised as to how many corrections folks in these county jails have a small NA 22WMR derringer in their shirt or pants pocket, and you'ld never know it. OK, I gotta ask: is this allowed? Seems like it would be dangerous to have a gun within an enclosure where you are outnumbered by people who might have a vested interest in taking it away from you. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ When i go inside a jail to talk to a prisoner, the prisoner is brought up from his cell. It depends upon the security risk or violence risk of the prisoner, the lower risking ones are handcuffed, the higher risking ones are handcuffed and shackled. I go into an interview room and talk to them. In most facilities unless, your a trustee and are allowed to work within the facility, and roam without immediate direct supervision, your in your cell block and don't leave that cellblock without an escourt. I don't go into the cell blocks and talk to these folks. I also pat them down, for weapons, shanks etc. even though their cuffed and have been searched prior to me. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! hunter1960#234502708/01/08 | |
I isaac Campfire Kahuna | |
isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 | You're saying Hunter that Tenessee jailing authorities allow you to have close proximity contact with prisoners knowing your carrying? The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! hunter1960#234503908/01/08 | |
ebd10 Campfire Regular | |
ebd10 Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 2,629 | Quote I'll assume that you've never been inside of a jail, and that's is something to be proud of. Hey, the only jail I even want to spend seconds in is on a Monopoly board. So if, God forbid, some prisoner threatened your life to the point of you having to shoot him, wouldn't that bring a schittstorm of trouble your way? The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. --H. L. Mencken |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! The_Real_Hawkeye#234505708/01/08 | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 10,863 | Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by ebd10 So, if I'm understanding correctly, you carry a gun into the jail with the consent of the sheriff and corrections authorities? What if a new guy saw your 342 and told you to disarm? I can't wait to hear the answer to this one. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! hunter1960#234507008/01/08 | |
T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage | |
| OP The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 132,261 Likes: 86 | Originally Posted by hunter1960 I'll assume that you've never been inside of a jail, and that's is something to be proud of. When i go inside a jail to talk to a prisoner, the prisoner is brought up from his cell. It depends upon the security risk or violence risk of the prisoner, the lower risking ones are handcuffed, the higher risking ones are handcuffed and shackled. I go into an interview room and talk to them. In most facilities unless, your a trustee and are allowed to work within the facility, and roam without immediate direct supervision, your in your cell block and don't leave that cellblock without an escourt. I don't go into the cell blocks and talk to these folks. I also pat them down, for weapons, shanks etc. even though their cuffed and have been searched prior to me. When I used to do court-ordered psych testing and evaluations, they'd sometimes put me in a room with guys who were in for murder, and I had no escort. These guys were unshackled and uncuffed. I remember one rather powerfully built black dude who was in for strangling his wife to death. It was a little freaky. I was unarmed, except for a 2.75" lock blade on my key chain. Yeah, I had about ten years of Jiu-Jitsu at that time, and it was still pretty fresh (not to mention having previously been one of those men in white suits in the acute psych unit, wherein I had assisted in taking down some pretty hefty dudes), but I always thought I should have had some back up in those situations. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! ebd10#234507608/01/08 | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 10,863 | Originally Posted by ebd10 Quote I'll assume that you've never been inside of a jail, and that's is something to be proud of. Hey, the only jail I even want to spend seconds in is on a Monopoly board. So if, God forbid, some prisoner threatened your life to the point of you having to shoot him, wouldn't that bring a schittstorm of trouble your way? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! The_Real_Hawkeye#234508108/01/08 | |
I isaac Campfire Kahuna | |
isaac Campfire Kahuna I Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 62,043 | When I used to do court-ordered psych testing and evaluations Jesus Hawk, how many times were you tested? The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! isaac#234509108/01/08 | |
T The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage | |
| OP The_Real_Hawkeye Campfire Sage T Joined: Jun 2002 Posts: 132,261 Likes: 86 | Originally Posted by isaac When I used to do court-ordered psych testing and evaluations Jesus Hawk, how many times were you tested? Oh, you are the master of the razor sharp quip, aren't you? |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! g5m#234509308/01/08 | |
D DocRocket Campfire Ranger | |
DocRocket Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 18,007 | TRH... sorry I missed this squabble from the beginning... had to work the night shift last night... But it's been a fun read this morning over coffee, especially Penny's photo post! To be serious for a moment: I don't think you handled the situation badly at all, and like Isaac and others have said, I'd give the recently-discharged Jarhead a chance to be a decent person next time you see him. But I would offer this comment: I have ample anecdotal evidence, and an awful lot of training that tells me you should NEVER reveal that you're carrying a concealed firearm to anyone except a LEO in the lawful execution of his/her duties. People I don't know really, really well, have no business knowing whether I carry, whether they work in gun stores or in the grocery store. I have even been known to resort to a slight subterfuge to avoid telling cops at a routine traffic stop that I'm carrying. I was once asked by a State Trooper in a state I do not reside in--but where my right to carry is covered both by my Florida CCW license and by HR 218--if I had any firearms in my vehicle. Since I always travel with a long gun in the trunk of my car, I replied that I had a cased rifle in the trunk. I told him the truth, but only as much as he needed to know. I didn't mention the 1911 on my belt nor the BUG in my pocket. The trooper asked me to open the trunk and the rifle case (which is within the scope of his duties, to ascertain that firearms are transported according to statute), satisfied himself that the rifle was indeed unloaded. He then asked me if I had any other weapons in the vehicle. Since I was standing with him outside the vehicle, I declared that there were no other firearms in the vehicle. I was sent on my way with a warning ticket for my faulty tail-light. The trooper and I left with a smile and a wave, on good terms. I'm sure that the vast majority of troopers in that state would have had no problem with my concealed handguns, but I'm also sure that there are some who would have had a problem, and it could have led to an ugly escalation. I offer this example not as a testimony to my craftiness (I'm not crafty, I'd just thought this situation out ahead of time) but as an example of how NOT saying you're armed can avoid a whole lot of hassle. Same reason I don't carry openly in my home state, even though it is by statute an open carry state. Try carrying a handgun openly in downtown Madison, though, and see how far your right to carry goes! I know of at least one case in AZ (also an open-carry state) where a citizen carrying a sidearm was selected for elimination by armed gunmen in the course of a robbery. Don't ask, and don't ever tell. That's the policy of a lot of very switched-on people. "I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars |
Re: US Marine Just Back From Iraq Tried to Disarm Me At The Gun Shop! The_Real_Hawkeye#234509608/01/08 | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter | |
hunter1960 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 10,863 | Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye Originally Posted by hunter1960 I'll assume that you've never been inside of a jail, and that's is something to be proud of. When i go inside a jail to talk to a prisoner, the prisoner is brought up from his cell. It depends upon the security risk or violence risk of the prisoner, the lower risking ones are handcuffed, the higher risking ones are handcuffed and shackled. I go into an interview room and talk to them. In most facilities unless, your a trustee and are allowed to work within the facility, and roam without immediate direct supervision, your in your cell block and don't leave that cellblock without an escourt. I don't go into the cell blocks and talk to these folks. I also pat them down, for weapons, shanks etc. even though their cuffed and have been searched prior to me. When I used to do court-ordered psych testing and evaluations, they'd sometimes put me in a room with guys who were in for murder, and I had no escort. These guys were unshackled and uncuffed. I remember one rather powerfully built black dude who was in for strangling his wife to death. It was a little freaky. I was unarmed, except for a 2.75" lock blade on my key chain. Yeah, I had about ten years of Jiu-Jitsu at that time, and it was still pretty fresh (not to mention having previously been one of those men in white suits in the acute psych unit, wherein I had assisted in taking down some pretty hefty dudes), but I always thought I should have had some back up in those situations. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
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